well, you have different regions of the brain, so you are processing different things at once
6:15 PM
but im sure it is refering to within the same brain region, like in the occipital lobe which processes visual information
6:15 PM
that is the example it uses at least
6:16 PM
In psychology, parallel processing is the ability of the brain to simultaneously process incoming stimuli of differing quality.[1] Parallel processing is associated with the visual system in that the brain divides what it sees into four components: color, motion, shape, and depth. These are individually analyzed and then compared to stored memories, which helps the brain identify what you are viewing.[2] The brain then combines all of these into the field of view that is then seen and comprehended.[3] This is a continual and seamless operation. For example, if one is standing between two different groups of people who are simultaneously carrying on two different conversations, one may be able to pick up only some information of both conversations at the same time.[4] Parallel processing has been linked, by some experimental psychologists, to the stroop effect (resulting from the stroop test where there is a mismatch between the name of a color and the color that the word is written in).[5] In the stroop effect, an inability to attend to all stimuli is seen through people's selective attention.[6]
In psychology, the Stroop effect is the delay in reaction time between congruent and incongruent stimuli.
The effect has been used to create a psychological test (the Stroop test) that is widely used in clinical practice and investigation.
A basic task that demonstrates this effect occurs when there is a mismatch between the name of a color (e.g...
I assume, there is not enough data to understand such concept as parallel processing. Even though we have abilities to gather people with such an [ability], analyse them (MRI), compare to regular people (brain structures, activity, etc.), write down the results.
But it's question of money and cooperation. Interesting, even though the concept itself is pretty interesting and old - it's not enough for cooperation of such fields as psychology and neuroscience?
8:32 AM
Though, this is a little off-topic from tulpa discussion, I guess.
I think there is indeed a need to make an [article] for beginners in tulpamancy and those with pure interest. On what is currently known for "can and can not do". Of course, while bearing in mind that it should not limit the desire for more or experimentation on this field in search of bigger achievements and better experiences, enjoyments of life with your tulpa.
If there won't be anyone with desire and a time for this - I can try to work on it if I'll have time. Though, bearing in mind that you all have much bigger experience and knowledge in it - I'll have to discuss this with a lot of people, to summarise the data.(edited)
I only just now read your messages and I think this is a pretty interesting idea. I had a lot of misconceptions and preconceived notions about what was and wasn’t possible with tulpamancy until I actually started to hang out with other tulpamancers. I’d like to see more media out there combatting some of the misinformation about what the practice is and isn’t capable of (broadly speaking) and that it also isn’t like. “Evil” creepypasta activities.
Maou
I think there is indeed a need to make an [article] for beginners in tulpamancy and those with pure interest. On what is currently known for "can and can not do". Of course, while bearing in mind that it should not limit the desire for more or experimentation on this field in search of bigger achievements and better experiences, enjoyments of life with your tulpa.
If there won't be anyone with desire and a time for this - I can try to work on it if I'll have time. Though, bearing in mind that you all have much bigger experience and knowledge in it - I'll have to discuss this with a lot of people, to summarise the data. (edited)
I wish to experiment with parallel processing once I'm healed up more and in a more stable place. Right now I don't want to risk messing up my recovery(edited)
Reisen: The way the tulpa community uses the term, parallel processing is not considered possible(edited)
2:07 PM
Whatever you have in mind though, you're free to try out with your tulpas (and even talk about results here or on the forum, if you want)
2:08 PM
Most "skills" translate between systemmates, though sometimes just a bit of practice might be necessary to get used to whatever it is for a systemmate who's never done it before (ie possession)
Reisen: As we define it here, it'd be like solving two different math equations at the same time, or thinking two sentences at the same time, or so on(edited)
2:22 PM
It seems the term in psychology is a bit different (and we'd never even heard it was a real term until it was brought up here the other day - we think of it as just more computer-inspired terminology like "system")
Reisen
Reisen: As we define it here, it'd be like solving two different math equations at the same time, or thinking two sentences at the same time, or so on (edited)
I think it's possible to achieve a pseudo SOC by attaching it to a wonderland. I think that's how people get inner worlds that the cobuds seem to have more control over than the host
Assuming the front in this case is the real SOC, and the fact the cobuds are switched out to the extent they are actually connected to the inner world pseudo SOC, they would have better control than a host who's switched-in.(edited)
I don't want to say awareness because I think it's too easy to say "but I'm aware of this happening" without actually being connected to the SOC. A cobud can become aware of something for instance.
Another interpretation is the point of view or POV. To my understanding, the POV is who is the owner of the SOC and the image you get in the mind's eye. I don't use POV because I think the POV and SOC are different (you can have no change in the SOC while the POV has). For example, when we switch, I label myself the owner of our bodily experiences which changes our POV. However, nothing changes in our vision or anything like that when we switch. Our SOC is not affected in any way.
Let me specify: does memory separation goes under the parallel processing category? Is it a myth as well or some did accomplish that? Without having an identity disorder.
memory separation is totally possible in non-disordered tulpamancy systems, and it is something that i would recommend! different systems have different dynamics, and may prefer different levels of separation, but being able to prevent other systemmembers from hearing certain thoughts and memories can be very useful
Breloomancer
memory separation is totally possible in non-disordered tulpamancy systems, and it is something that i would recommend! different systems have different dynamics, and may prefer different levels of separation, but being able to prevent other systemmembers from hearing certain thoughts and memories can be very useful
Different levels? Can you give some striking examples of your experience with it? If I recall it correctly, some has claimed to simply put a mental block on their tulpa for not going into host's memories. But maybe it's actually something that has to be accomplished through practice.(edited)
so levels of separation just means how distinct two members of a system are. this is a combination of multiple different factors, such as personality, interests, habits, and memory separation. at different times miela (my tulpa and i have had very different levels of separation; at the peek of our separation, we had different habits, different opinions, different interests in things, experienced different qualia when switched in, formed memories that were distinctly 'tinted' with one of us or the other, depending on who originally experienced it, and frequently shielded access to our thoughts and memories from each other; at the trough, we still have different opinions and interests, but we mostly functioned at one person with an internal dialog rather than an internal monologue, rather than two people sharing one body
11:57 AM
in this context though, i was just talking about how, some systems will want to shield a lot of memories from each other, and some won't want to shield any
12:00 PM
the other day, leiko was talking about how tulpamancy isn't a skill, but rather, you have to learn how to stop putting in effort, and i think that that definitely applies to memories separation. some systems struggle a lot with memory separation, to the point that they doubt it is even possible, but other systems are able to do it easily from the beginning. for us, we started out not being able to do it, but we learned over time
12:04 PM
i think the first step for learning memory separation is to be able to mark out certain thoughts with associations with different tulpas or whatever, and then you just try not to access certain ones that they don't want you to access, and over time it will become both easier to avoid accessing them unintentionally, and harder to access them intentionally. like how you and your tulpa can compete over control of a part of your body, and at first your tulpa will have a lot more trouble, but eventually it becomes a pretty even match
as far as memory separation goes, my system forms memories with sense of which headmate that memory belongs to (it can belong to multiple headmates)
sometimes, a particular reference or in-joke with friends will be part of a memory that I made and that has a sense of belongling to me
that reference or in-joke might come up while one of my headmates is fronting and result in them not immediately getting the reference. Usually they notice this and after thinking for a moment they can understand the reference, but with a sense that it is from a memory that belongs to me specifically
I like to think of this as a form of soft memory separation... more like a memory delay(edited)
9:55 PM
as far as actually separating a memory like that from one of my headmates, since there is a sense of who it belongs to it's just a case of my headmates deciding to not look at memories with that particular feeling
9:56 PM
but it's our habit to just be free with info so that's hard to decide to do! It goes against our habit of just thinking of whatever we want
We do have distance that's voluntary, but not to the level Bre described.
If we did learn more intense memory separation, it would likely cause issues for us. At the moment, even parallel processing is off the table in fear of its potential dissociative experiences
I said in the daemon server that i think tulpas and daemons are fundamentally the same thing. I got huge pushback from that.
I also said that tulpas are not inherently separate beings from the host, but rather a part of a whole which is made up by all members of the system. I was met with disagreement then too.
What do you all think? I'm curious how the tulpa community and the daemon community differ in terms of their views on this.
I would imagine that the two are very similar short of the fact that daemonism puts some extra restrictions and requirements on the process, and those make it different.
I would imagine that the two are very similar short of the fact that daemonism puts some extra restrictions and requirements on ...
@Reguile - jump
I can't speak for others, but I see it as the other way around. There are a lot more restrictions to making your cobuds people than to make a dæmon. A dæmon can represent themselves however they like and don't have to be seen as individuals
The daemon people can be quite respective. They have to have an animal form. They have to represent an aspect of the host. They have to be a part of the host in a way(edited)
I said i didn't think it was possible for tulpas and other system members to be 100% distinct since they share memories and a brain
And then someone said they were uncomfortable with me saying that someone's belief is impossible
Was i in the wrong there? /gen
I said i didn't think it was possible for tulpas and other system members to be 100% distinct since they share memories and a brain
And then someone said they were uncomfortable with me saying that someone's belief is impossible
Was i in the wrong there? /gen
I would like to peer into these people's brains and see just how they get so ignorant. Or how you get to the point that you're more uncomfortable with the idea of contradicting people's opinions than you are uncomfortable with the idea of spreading, telling, or accepting things that aren't true.(edited)
@Reguile - jump
From His Dark Materials, yes, but I see a real dæmon as not needing to restrict themselves in such a way
Heck, I don't know how many dæmons are also median subsystems!
Dream | Shadow System
Then they are deviating from the definition
@Reguile - jump
From His Dark Materials, yes, but I see a real dæmon as not needing to restrict themselves in such a way
Heck, I don't know how many dæmons are also median subsystems!
You're not wrong, but that also kind of applies to tulpa
Reguile
I would like to peer into these people's brains and see just how they get so ignorant. Or how you get to the point that you're more uncomfortable with the idea of contradicting people's opinions than you are uncomfortable with the idea of spreading, telling, or accepting things that aren't true. (edited)
Yeahh that's what i thought too
I feel really uncomfortable with the convo that's going on in the daemon server rn actually. Idk if it's just my inherent defensiveness but i feel as if i'm being.. contradicted in such a way that i have no opportunity to be allowed to express my own opinion
I would like to peer into these people's brains and see just how they get so ignorant. Or how you get to the point that you're ...
@Reguile - jump
No need. We strongly suspect it stems from insecurity rather than lack of intelligence. Like fake claiming and such, most don’t like hearing the idea their cobuds are not real people, and some take it very personally
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11:42 PM
You're not wrong, but that also kind of applies to tulpa
@Reguile - jump
There's an original definition for cobud other than thoughtform?
11:43 PM
(No I do not want to talk about tulpa's questionable roots. I can't stop it from happening but it's not something I wish to talk about)
In regards to daemonism being less restrictive than tulpa. I think it's more restrictive at its base definition, and if your ignore the rules neither are restrictive at all
...they pinged the moderators because i said that having a harmful spirit sounds like a medical condition
After i explained that i personally know many many diagnosed schizophrenics who believe they are afflicted by negative spirits
Apparently i was inappropriate
Idk if i should believe my instincts saying they're stupid or if i should believe my lived experience of being called inappropriate time and time again
if the people there don't like certain opinions shared in a certain way, then that may well have been inappropriate... but that can be distinct from what you did being objectively and universally inappropriate
Is anyone okay with me dming them a couple screenshots so they can say if i was indeed inappropriate or not
Cuz i'm kinda freaking out and it would be off topicOf me to post it here
if the people there don't like certain opinions shared in a certain way, then that may well have been inappropriate... but that can be distinct from what you did being objectively and universally inappropriate
Imo i didn't say anything really riveting
So i'm confused
I guess i entered a place where people are overly.. sensitive? Idek if i could call it sensitive since i'm sensitive and i don't get like that
Is anyone okay with me dming them a couple screenshots so they can say if i was indeed inappropriate or not
Cuz i'm kinda freaking out and it would be off topicOf me to post it here
We're still training fronting without pur host present. She's working on disconnecting herself from the body and it's senses while we front, but she's still aware of everything we do and feel. I think this is throwing her off somewhat, even if it's normal.
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